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(9:32:39 PM) ustreamer-8003: can start now. iz here.
(9:32:52 PM) StevenMurawski: just in time!
(9:33:08 PM) niemeierrichard-1: helo, everyone
(9:33:14 PM) ustreamer-8003: hi!
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(9:33:50 PM) ustreamer-8003: whew, it is Steve!
(9:34:59 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Welcome everyone.
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(9:39:33 PM) AndrewTearle: All in the world, do that which they do, for their own reasons .. Hi ! Y'All from NZ ..
(9:39:52 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Hello Andrew
(9:39:52 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Welcome
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(9:49:41 PM) ustreamer-8003: daz cool
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(9:51:18 PM) ustreamer-8003: oh noes
(9:51:26 PM) AndrewTearle: Searching TechPodcasts.Com for PowerShell does not raise Mind of Root ...
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(9:51:57 PM) ustreamer-8003: iz frozen?
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(9:51:58 PM) ustreamer-8003: iz gone?
(9:52:22 PM) StevenMurawski: I don't see him either
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(9:52:49 PM) ustreamer-8003: and there was gnashing of teeth
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(9:53:51 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Can you guys still here us?
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(9:54:09 PM) ustreamer-8003: no
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(9:54:34 PM) ustreamer-8003: iz gone again
(9:55:22 PM) ustreamer-8003: you guz can talk, won't wake up baby honest. please proceed.
(9:55:45 PM) ustreamer-8003: heh
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(9:56:10 PM) ustreamer-8003: at least I'm laughin
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(9:57:19 PM) ustreamer-8003: any full text serches? they still work?
(9:57:49 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Fortunately, the main app on there did not depend on fulltext search
(9:57:54 PM) StevenMurawski-1: I have one app that I will be deploying soon
(9:57:57 PM) StevenMurawski-1: that does
(9:59:11 PM) ustreamer-8003: but its nic to hear Rich
(9:59:43 PM) ustreamer-8003: mmm vodka
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(10:00:11 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Sadly just Diet Pepsi. I need a drink now.
(10:00:41 PM) ustreamer-8003: its spelled difrntly
(10:01:08 PM) ustreamer-8003: thats my entry.
(10:01:31 PM) MindOfRoot-1: You have a good shot at winning.
(10:01:52 PM) ustreamer-8003: winning, no.  whining, yes.
(10:03:26 PM) ustreamer-8003: I sendit . please wait
(10:04:09 PM) ustreamer-8003: I'm not drunk, I'm typin on a netbook
(10:04:21 PM) StevenMurawski-1: :)
(10:05:09 PM) ustreamer-8003: missed name
(10:05:48 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Swiss Tech PTCSSS-XL9? Micro-ProXL? 9-in-1 Multi-Tool w/LED Black & Stainless
(10:05:48 PM) ustreamer-8003: oh
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(10:06:10 PM) ustreamer-8003: how is that pronounced in German?
(10:06:12 PM) AndrewTearle: http://www.swisstechtools.com/
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(10:06:24 PM) StevenMurawski-1: http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Tech-PTCSSS-XL9-Micro-ProXL-Multi-Tool/dp/B001CAR6PY
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(10:08:32 PM) ustreamer-8003: excellent for detecting memory leaks .. found one in Sharepoint add-on once uoon a time
(10:08:44 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Nice
(10:10:08 PM) glnsize: i like the vital stats list
(10:10:33 PM) ustreamer-8003: nutz.
(10:10:57 PM) glnsize: start small or it way too much info
(10:11:48 PM) ustreamer-8003: oh noes ... Schrodinger's Cat
(10:12:17 PM) glnsize: you can output to a database
(10:12:41 PM) glnsize: most of those counter are for devs
(10:13:26 PM) StevenMurawski-1: yeah.. I'll have to check out Keith's list and see where it maps to the one I'm working from.
(10:13:35 PM) StevenMurawski-1: I'm betting there is a lot of overlap
(10:13:59 PM) glnsize: has to be... 
(10:14:02 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Managed switches rule.. no need for dumb switches
(10:14:15 PM) glnsize: ahhh i knew it... i wanteed to call spanning tree loop
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(10:14:28 PM) ustreamer-8003: imagine that counters for tunin an app might differ from those for monitoring general perf
(10:14:46 PM) StevenMurawski-1: definitely
(10:14:58 PM) glnsize: only needed for IDS, and even then rare cases
(10:15:01 PM) ustreamer-8003: notable: ASP.NET and .NET counters
(10:15:15 PM) StevenMurawski-1: yeah
(10:16:44 PM) glnsize: so the switch shipped with stp disabled?
(10:16:55 PM) niemeierrichard: yes
(10:17:01 PM) glnsize: not cool
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(10:17:49 PM) glnsize: im spoiled... cisco or bust
(10:18:01 PM) glnsize: dell is a rebranded cisco
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(10:18:14 PM) niemeierrichard: cisco is nice but have to justify the cost
(10:18:25 PM) StevenMurawski-1: there's enough a difference in the command line to be annoying
(10:18:27 PM) glnsize: like i said im spoiled... i knkow it
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(10:20:10 PM) StevenMurawski-1: ustreamer-8003 App performance monitoring is a much different animal to general server monitoring and the counters reflect that.
(10:20:29 PM) ustreamer-8003: si, si
(10:20:45 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Es verdad
(10:20:56 PM) glnsize: ahhh the joy of "free"
(10:21:16 PM) ustreamer-8003: also, process is different. tuning is iterative, monitorig is continuous or close to it
(10:21:33 PM) ustreamer-8003: sampling
(10:22:09 PM) glnsize: monitoring is reactive, and the counters are built for it... small sample periods extended captures
(10:22:42 PM) ustreamer-8003: yeah thts better way to describe it
(10:26:49 PM) mrTomahawk: whats the purpose / audience of cahoots
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(10:27:34 PM) mrTomahawk: so cahoots is supposed to be focus on AD
(10:27:38 PM) glnsize: so how does it compair to stackoverflow?
(10:28:29 PM) mrTomahawk: I know cahoots is the framework....but what is the Quest branded site for?  what's the intended audience
(10:29:23 PM) mrTomahawk: whats the URL for the Quest site
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(10:29:39 PM) StevenMurawski-1:  theexpertscommunity.com
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(10:30:37 PM) glnsize: ohhhh bad bad... 
(10:30:55 PM) StevenMurawski-1: There are too many things to cringe at there..
(10:30:57 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Access DB.. hardcoded paths..
(10:31:08 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Keith, you have my sympathy..
(10:31:11 PM) mrTomahawk: visual foxpro?
(10:31:26 PM) ustreamer-8003: iz crying...
(10:32:08 PM) ustreamer-8003: awesum
(10:32:14 PM) mrTomahawk: take a look at Resource Hacker also...although I'm not sure if this will be much help in this situation
(10:34:37 PM) glnsize: i wonder if a application compatibility shim could intercept/redirect that?  i've been meaning to look into shims and what they can and can't do
(10:35:50 PM) mrTomahawk: @glnsize I imagine it could
(10:36:44 PM) glnsize: would be fairly easy to package/deploy if you could get it to work... I wish i had more time :(
(10:37:14 PM) StevenMurawski-1: I'm not too familiar with app shims.. 
(10:37:53 PM) glnsize: all i know is that's how MS has protected backwards compatibility since XP.
(10:38:30 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Runas Radio talked about that a while back..  I might have to re-listen
(10:38:50 PM) glnsize: yep... that's where i found them too
(10:39:26 PM) glnsize: only a week
(10:39:56 PM) StevenMurawski-1: I'm usually pretty good about keeping up
(10:39:57 PM) glnsize: give us a weekie
(10:40:10 PM) StevenMurawski-1: LOL
(10:40:22 PM) glnsize: awesome
(10:40:47 PM) ustreamer-8003: rock on guys
(10:40:52 PM) ustreamer-8003: ciao
(10:41:06 PM) StevenMurawski-1: WOOOO!
(10:41:06 PM) mrTomahawk: out of curosity why don't u guys play a canned recording for the closing?
(10:41:11 PM) StevenMurawski-1: later!
(10:41:20 PM) glnsize: were is the fun in that
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(10:41:42 PM) glnsize: aight good show... night all
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(10:42:04 PM) StevenMurawski-1: glenn
(10:42:09 PM) StevenMurawski-1: good night
(10:42:26 PM) StevenMurawski-1: mrTomahawk - it would be a bit more polished to do that
(10:42:40 PM) StevenMurawski-1: but if there's one thing we're not, it's polished :)
(10:44:30 PM) mrTomahawk: no
(10:48:56 PM) mrTomahawk: yeah I don't think it will work
(10:49:06 PM) mrTomahawk: Resource Hacker for some things though
(10:50:11 PM) mrTomahawk: have you tried launching process monitor to see if its grabbing something from the system registry or from something in the system which you can spoof
(10:50:20 PM) mrTomahawk: sysinternals process monitor
(10:50:40 PM) StevenMurawski-1: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SapienBlog/~3/K3MTTQj5XDU/
(10:50:51 PM) StevenMurawski-1: http://blog.sapien.com/index.php/2009/03/02/parse-hosts-file-with-powershell/
(10:50:54 PM) mrTomahawk: or reg calls,  file calls
(10:53:51 PM) mrTomahawk: appearance?
(10:54:05 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Thirsty Developer podcast
(10:54:33 PM) mrTomahawk: I haven't heard of that one
(10:55:04 PM) StevenMurawski-1: podcast for devs by two Microsoft Developer Evangalists.
(10:55:28 PM) StevenMurawski-1: pretty decent topics.
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(10:55:37 PM) StevenMurawski-1: I was interviewed about PowerShell.
(10:57:13 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Have a good night everyone!
(10:57:21 PM) ustreamer-63041: Thanks for the show guys
(10:57:28 PM) niemeierrichard: later, take care
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(10:57:35 PM) ustreamer-22997: night all
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(10:57:36 PM) StevenMurawski-1: Thank you for joining us!~
(10:58:06 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Thanks everyone.
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(10:58:21 PM) mrTomahawk: see ya
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