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(9:39:10 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Testing
(9:39:19 PM) StevenMurawski: one two three
(9:39:59 PM) csford1: hit it
(9:42:12 PM) StevenMurawski: Elwood: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.
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(9:45:46 PM) gstarcher: I can help review if you like.
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(9:58:03 PM) StevenMurawski: gstarcher - we'd be happy to have you participate.. we are running it as a resume exchange more than a review
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(10:11:17 PM) dssstream: hey guys
(10:11:25 PM) StevenMurawski: http://blogs.technet.com/heyscriptingguy/archive/2009/06/14/everything-scripting-games-come-here-if-you-are-lost.aspx
(10:11:35 PM) StevenMurawski: hey
(10:12:35 PM) dssstream: what is hardware interrupting CPU for ?
(10:13:29 PM) dssstream: ahh ok
(10:14:23 PM) dssstream: luckily i only did that once for an old old network card
(10:14:50 PM) dssstream: windows 3.1 i used to move mouse to get comptuer to move!
(10:14:57 PM) reelmccoy: lol
(10:15:07 PM) dssstream: i rember that too
(10:15:53 PM) dssstream: Roots Kills Trees -- ustream ad
(10:16:22 PM) dssstream: MS vpc not as good as virtualbox
(10:16:30 PM) dssstream: they otta open source that stuff
(10:16:48 PM) StevenMurawski: http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2009/06/15/creating-virtual-machines-with-windows-virtual-pc.aspx
(10:16:54 PM) dssstream: 16-bit apps too ?
(10:17:57 PM) dssstream: lol non-m$
(10:17:58 PM) dssstream: lol
(10:19:48 PM) gstarcher: workstation has more features.  snapshots etc
(10:19:51 PM) dssstream: the workstation is a solution though right ?
(10:19:57 PM) dssstream: like to tie everything togather
(10:20:14 PM) dssstream: virtualbox does snapshots
(10:20:34 PM) gstarcher: multiple levels of snapshots
(10:20:39 PM) gstarcher: like esxi gives you one
(10:20:48 PM) gstarcher: or used to
(10:20:49 PM) dssstream: yeah that's what i hate about vmware
(10:20:53 PM) dssstream: yes it is
(10:20:55 PM) gstarcher: they may have loosened up
(10:20:56 PM) dssstream: Sun
(10:21:12 PM) dssstream: multiple levels in vbox ? gstarcher?
(10:21:22 PM) gstarcher: vmware
(10:21:38 PM) dssstream: ahh ok; cuz the vmware server i have only does one
(10:21:38 PM) gstarcher: I haven't used vbox
(10:21:49 PM) gstarcher: yeah one.  workstation lets you do many
(10:21:53 PM) gstarcher: among other features
(10:21:59 PM) gstarcher: thats where the for pay comes in
(10:22:29 PM) gstarcher: I prefer esxi so I dont have to keep patching the underlying windows.  for my smaller vms
(10:22:31 PM) dssstream: yeah vbox is awesome
(10:22:46 PM) gstarcher: the big ones for user production we use full up ESX
(10:22:52 PM) dssstream: cat box
(10:23:11 PM) dssstream: jeperdy theme
(10:23:11 PM) dssstream: hehe
(10:24:41 PM) dssstream: i can't hear it (which is good i gues)
(10:25:22 PM) dssstream: lol
(10:25:53 PM) dssstream: i hate it; i really do; nothing but problems (not production quality)
(10:25:57 PM) dssstream: i'm sorry
(10:26:18 PM) dssstream: nice features but not stable enough
(10:26:19 PM) StevenMurawski: dssstream - don't be sorry
(10:26:32 PM) StevenMurawski: you are entitled to your opinion
(10:28:56 PM) dssstream: i've never used a kindle; but i like the idea
(10:29:23 PM) dssstream: i'd love to read PDFs on a kindle; better on the eyes
(10:29:28 PM) StevenMurawski: http://wroxblog.typepad.com/minatel/2009/06/kindle-source-code-release-what-does-it-mean.html
(10:29:36 PM) StevenMurawski: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200203720
(10:30:04 PM) dssstream: is it all code or are they keeping some code propietary?
(10:30:16 PM) StevenMurawski: It looks like all the code
(10:30:37 PM) dssstream: they should protect some intel-property that makes kindle what it is
(10:31:24 PM) dssstream: i love GPL; but only where the model fits (maybe this fits); as long as they keep strong
(10:31:49 PM) gstarcher: except amazon takes 70% from the content provider
(10:32:07 PM) dssstream: oh really? dang
(10:32:08 PM) dssstream: that's quite a bit
(10:32:08 PM) gstarcher: and amazon sets the price
(10:32:43 PM) dssstream: i just hope it encourages ppl to publishes more e-books though
(10:33:08 PM) dssstream: not have 100 diff devices to read 100 file formats
(10:33:21 PM) StevenMurawski: Until code samples look good, I've got a tough time with e-books
(10:33:32 PM) StevenMurawski: make that e-readers, not e-books
(10:33:43 PM) dssstream: yess; exactly
(10:33:49 PM) dssstream: look how mp3's took off
(10:33:54 PM) dssstream: every device on the planet supports it
(10:35:30 PM) dssstream: oh so you're leasing? ?
(10:35:41 PM) dssstream: or .. maybe i'm confused lol
(10:36:46 PM) dssstream: and that's another problem "selection"
(10:37:10 PM) dssstream: why can't they all just grab from authors; then device manufacture get's some $$ and author get's $$
(10:37:46 PM) StevenMurawski: Someone has to coordinate which authors have which books and handle the sales, etc..
(10:37:57 PM) dssstream: yup
(10:38:16 PM) dssstream: LOL LOL
(10:38:22 PM) dssstream: hillarious!
(10:39:06 PM) gstarcher: only exchange 2007+
(10:39:06 PM) dssstream: yeah i saw that; weird i guess
(10:39:15 PM) StevenMurawski: hmm
(10:39:22 PM) dssstream: you don't have to $$ outlook for mac but you do for windows
(10:39:41 PM) dssstream: which is kindof weird since M$ makes windows
(10:40:12 PM) dssstream: yeah
(10:40:54 PM) dssstream: i though outlook was seperate from office ?
(10:41:09 PM) dssstream: like you had to have "Pro" not "standard"
(10:41:30 PM) dssstream: web client sucks though
(10:41:34 PM) dssstream: not near the featues
(10:42:19 PM) dssstream: silence.....
(10:42:21 PM) StevenMurawski: 07 has a pretty good webclient
(10:42:55 PM) dssstream: yeah it's pretty decent; but i like the desktop client cuz it auto pops up and diff stuff like that
(10:43:10 PM) StevenMurawski: The first thing I turn off is the toast
(10:43:15 PM) StevenMurawski: )
(10:43:21 PM) dssstream: lol
(10:43:43 PM) dssstream: 500 diff version!  what's the deal?
(10:43:50 PM) dssstream: why ppl?  please why?
(10:44:25 PM) dssstream: they removed the 3 app restricion on the lowest version of win7 i heard
(10:44:53 PM) dssstream: linux outlook.. that's what they need
(10:45:19 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Evolution on Linux
(10:45:36 PM) dssstream: oh sweet
(10:45:47 PM) dssstream: i use thunderbird; but i couldn't get it to work
(10:45:59 PM) dssstream: yuup; that's crazy stuff
(10:46:07 PM) dssstream: i think it's good
(10:46:10 PM) dssstream: kindof
(10:46:28 PM) dssstream: but how is apple different with safari?
(10:46:36 PM) dssstream: why don't they bash apple ?
(10:47:20 PM) StevenMurawski: My thought exactly
(10:47:32 PM) StevenMurawski: I think the rational is marketshare.
(10:47:38 PM) StevenMurawski: Apple doesn't have it..
(10:47:43 PM) dssstream: yeah; but linux is gonna kick butt
(10:47:45 PM) dssstream: you wait
(10:47:46 PM) dssstream: just wait
(10:47:53 PM) StevenMurawski: still waiting...
(10:48:15 PM) dssstream: hehe
(10:48:43 PM) dssstream: well...; if the manufacture doesn't install it it's their suppport calls
(10:48:54 PM) dssstream: and if you have choice during install.. there's the solutions
(10:49:22 PM) csford1: fan of caffination
(10:49:25 PM) dssstream: so it's either up to manufacture or technicial
(10:49:41 PM) dssstream: caffination it's pretty col
(10:49:41 PM) dssstream: cool
(10:51:26 PM) dssstream: actually i would love that
(10:51:38 PM) dssstream: you could block out company
(10:52:57 PM) dssstream: new perspective
(10:54:19 PM) dssstream: yeah that's what i need help on
(10:54:33 PM) dssstream: trying to work on netwrok engineer job right now
(10:54:38 PM) dssstream: it's a bit stressfull
(10:54:43 PM) AndrewTearle: Thanx for Caffination pointer - both my boys in the coffee industry !
(10:55:27 PM) StevenMurawski: dssstream - check out the Career Tools podcast.. they've got some great info!
(10:55:42 PM) dssstream: oh sweet dude thanks soo muchj
(10:55:50 PM) dssstream: i'm stuck hard too
(10:56:04 PM) dssstream: thanks for a great show again guys!
(10:56:54 PM) dssstream: later...
(10:56:58 PM) AndrewTearle: Thanx Guys.
(10:57:03 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Thank you for participating
(10:57:04 PM) StevenMurawski: later
(10:57:06 PM) StevenMurawski: Thanks!!
(10:57:42 PM) dssstream: sorry i think that was me :-o
(10:58:10 PM) reelmccoy: Thems fightin' woids
(10:58:37 PM) dssstream: i used to work and admin windows for 6 years
(10:58:53 PM) dssstream: lotz of hate and a little love (very little)
(10:59:17 PM) dssstream: hehe
(10:59:31 PM) AndrewTearle: Should participate more I feel but can't think of anything relevant - but PowerShell ... greatly enjoy the show.
(11:00:16 PM) dssstream: the idea of powershell is cool; getting closer to linux / unix every day
(11:00:39 PM) AndrewTearle: Always on the look out for any PS - received Will Stanek's PS 2.0 today 
(11:00:58 PM) AndrewTearle: I went looking for data mining since i have E 2007
(11:01:11 PM) dssstream: wow! watch it there...
(11:01:15 PM) dssstream: perl is great
(11:01:21 PM) dssstream: HEHE i'm just kidding
(11:01:39 PM) AndrewTearle: perl is great unix is great PowerShell is Power
(11:01:41 PM) dssstream: yeah i do like powershell though
(11:02:00 PM) dssstream: but bash pipe perl ... bam
(11:02:15 PM) dssstream: yeah
(11:02:27 PM) dssstream: that's my problem with like grep and egrep; it's slower
(11:02:33 PM) dssstream: haha
(11:03:00 PM) dssstream: powershell is all native then right?
(11:03:09 PM) dssstream: ahh ok
(11:03:46 PM) AndrewTearle: I have been following OO in Windows since forever and have never seen such support for anything like PowerShell : very encouraging.
(11:03:47 PM) dssstream: and at the end of the day; whatever you're confortable with for your OS
(11:03:48 PM) MindOfRoot-1: dssstream. You got him started. I blame you!!!
(11:04:24 PM) dssstream: this is a good move by MS i gotta say 
(11:04:47 PM) dssstream: i got linux; you got microsoft; we could go on forever
(11:05:08 PM) reelmccoy: lol
(11:06:08 PM) MOR_Recording: Long live the GUI !!!!!
(11:06:10 PM) StevenMurawski: http://dougfinke.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/14/246-powershell-scripts-for-windows-7-diagnostics/
(11:06:31 PM) dssstream: yeah i just haven't learned it yet
(11:07:28 PM) dssstream: i run an xp on vmware server for lniux and works great
(11:07:34 PM) gstarcher: I prefer just throwing esxi onto a box
(11:07:51 PM) gstarcher: then I dont have to patch the underlying OS near as much 
(11:07:59 PM) dssstream: yeah but esxi isn't desktop virtualization
(11:08:01 PM) StevenMurawski: If I had extra hardware I would do that or Hyper-V
(11:08:31 PM) StevenMurawski: but I looking more along the line of on my workstation.
(11:08:37 PM) gstarcher: true. but I dont use it as desktop virtualization.  I used fusion on the mac for that
(11:08:59 PM) dssstream: yeah that makes sense
(11:09:12 PM) dssstream: yuup exactly
(11:09:12 PM) gstarcher: yes it uses vmware center manager
(11:09:26 PM) gstarcher: yes its just a desktop product like vmware
(11:09:30 PM) gstarcher: workstation
(11:09:36 PM) dssstream: kindof like hyper-v uses VMM i think (Steve?) to control the bare metal ?
(11:10:34 PM) gstarcher: lol that is what vmware wants to sell you the thin virtualized client system for
(11:10:44 PM) dssstream: oh that's cool; booting to VHD oh nice!
(11:10:44 PM) gstarcher: run the os from the vmware server
(11:10:56 PM) dssstream: it's kindof like Ubuntu WUBI
(11:11:04 PM) dssstream: it installs into a disk image
(11:11:07 PM) dssstream: for a dual boot system
(11:11:53 PM) dssstream: see linx is inovator ... M$ is a implementer with nice GUIs
(11:12:07 PM) dssstream: *linux
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(11:14:16 PM) dssstream: question..  should i put 4 hdd's in same box ?
(11:14:38 PM) dssstream: are there any like hdd cages for drives then run IDE/sata cables to motherboard?
(11:15:35 PM) StevenMurawski: Yeah.. there are some out there.
(11:16:26 PM) gstarcher: you could go esata.  http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/PerformanceRAID
(11:18:30 PM) dssstream: lol
(11:19:46 PM) gstarcher: g'night
(11:19:46 PM) reelmccoy: Thanks for another great show
(11:19:49 PM) dssstream: take care Steve; thanks again
(11:19:53 PM) csford1: later guys
(11:20:04 PM) dssstream: i won't talk as much :-)
(11:20:07 PM) reelmccoy: lol
(11:20:20 PM) reelmccoy: Infinite poop
(11:20:24 PM) dssstream: later guys
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(11:20:35 PM) dssstream: cya
(11:20:42 PM) MindOfRoot-1: Thanks Everyone. Goodnight/
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